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ruthsteadman
#1 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 1:16:05 PM Quote
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Hi, I'm new to the forum as I forgot my password and couldn't log in - RA brain for you!

I've been reading some of the posts about trying to conceive and also pregnancy and RA and I wondered if anyone could give me some advice? I've had RA for 2 years and am 36. We wanted to start a family so I was advised to stop Methotrexate in July last year and was advised by RA Nurse to wait 3 months before trying to conceive. Told could carry on with anti-inflammatories (Naproxen) and Prednisolone (low dose 10-15 mg depending on how I was) whilst TTC and to take paracetamol. Got pregnant first month of trying (very lucky!) but miscarried at 5/6 weeks. TTC again and fell pregnant in February, but again miscarried but at 11 weeks this time - totally gutted! Stopped Naproxen when found out pregnant (which I was advised to do) but carried on with Prednisolone and Paracetamol, but was in major flare up whole time and could hardly move.

Anyway, after devastation of 2 miscarriages have gone back on Methotrexate temporarily (last 8 weeks) to control RA and get out of flare ups. But now am in process of TTC again, so am waiting 3 months for Methotrexte to come out of system before TTC.

Any advice on what I was doing wrong - if anything? Any other medication suggestions for me to speak to RA team about when I go for next appointment. If manage to get pregnant and lose another baby, know I can't cope with doing it again, as it's been so devastating, so will be looking at adoption route, but will having RA go against me and my husband trying to adopt? Again, any tips appreciate.

Ruth
MaryLewis
#2 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 1:18:58 PM Quote
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Hi Ruth
we are waiting for our third baby to be born on here
the ladies who can help you are Jenni,Alison and waiting mum Amanda (sorry ladies I hope I havent over stepped the mark if I have sorry)
good luckThumpUp
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#3 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 1:27:41 PM Quote
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Hi Ruth so sorry to hear about the miscarriages i had one too at 13 weeks so i know how you feel, i had to come off the Sulfasalazine but stayed on naproxen and prednisolone , i also had to have the fertility drug clomid as i could not conceive ( tried for 4 years) eventualy got pregnant six months after miscarriage and had a healthy baby boy ( 1 month early) its so hard stopping and starting these drugs , i dont know anything about adoption but others on here do, take it easy and good luck ttc]

Sophie x
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#4 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 1:54:45 PM Quote
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Hi Ruth,

I'm so sorry to hear about your miscarriages, that's dreadful for you.
I don't think you did anything wrong and I'm sure you'll get lots of advice from those on here who have gone through the TTC process.
Welcome to the forum, by the way!
Looking forward to getting to know you.

Love, Doreen xx
jeanb
#5 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 2:01:37 PM Quote
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Hi Ruth

I am so sad to hear about this. It is devastating.

As Doreen has said, Amanda, Jenni and Alison are the ones to help you. They have been through it and once they pick up on this thread will be here with some good advice. Jenni is away until tomorrow but will most certainly come back yo you.

Much love to you
Jeanxxxx
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#6 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 2:39:34 PM Quote
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hi the best news is you are getting pregent .
So may be keep trying ???

but the drug side horrable

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amanda_lewin
#7 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 4:05:32 PM Quote
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Dear Ruth,

You have all my sincere sympathies for your lost babies- I have lost two babies to miscarriage (one quite late) and it is devastating and something one never recovers fully from even with more living children.

I am not too sure if I can help. I have had RA since small childhood and so have been pregnant with RA for ALL my babies. I first conceived on Azothrioprine which is a DMARD and then lost the baby but conceived the next baby (our eldest, Ben, 13) also on Azo.

The rheumys state that there are certain meds which are 'safe' in pregnancy. I am extremely lucky that my RA goes into remission or at least is very suppressed throughout pregnancy. Because of this piece of luck I come off all meds.

With this pregnancy I went into it with my RA not as well controlled- I had also like you been on MTX, and also SLZ (yuck) and Hydro. I had every intention of coming off them all. By 7 weeks gestation I took myself off the remaining two and thus far I am 'okay'. If I am honest I am not brilliant- both knees and hip are aching alot and I suspect my hip is a little swollen but not bad enough for me to consider meds......

Now- onto the RA and miscarriage- no one has ever told me it is linked. I have had two placenta abruptions and was very very concerned this was possibly linked but the Obstetrician said she had never heard of this at all and no study she could find had any links...

I SO hope this next attempt works for you. I was told the MTX needs the 3months because of possible malformed eggs NOT because it is still in the system! I was surprised and pleased by this. I will go on to Hydro ahould my RA come back and will try and avoid steroids as much as I can as they would be my very last resort. (even though they are supposedly safe I do not want to be taking oral steroids).

I also see a medical herbalist (with the knowledge of the Drs) and she gave me a special very warming and gentle tonic which I conceived whilst taking thrice daily. I am still on this (although too sick! sometimes to take it, it tastes vile) and am seeing her soon for a consultation. I believe herbs can help pregnancy very much as long as they are administered by an excellent and highly qualified herbalist.

I wish you the very best of luck and many prayers in your endeavours.

Amanda
Julia17
#8 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 5:26:20 PM Quote
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Hi Ruth

A big welcome, glad you have found us. Sorry to hear your sad news, you will have so much support and advice and never will feel alone.

Look forward to hearing from you,

Julia x
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#9 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 6:23:22 PM Quote
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Hi Ruth aww welcome to nras site
so sorry hear of your loss,im about start tcc for 1st time this winter im told wait 9 months after stopping mtx as im newly diagnosed with sysetmic lupus they want the hydroxy get time work fully and lupus be controlled,im also on nsaids,and alot other bits some of which are to stop at trying stage 1 of which is nsaids.


cartn advise re miscarriage ,only thing you may not be checked for it aps,hughes syndrome threw blood test i have so far i am partially postive so they will re check later in year if am its easy to treat,as can cause miscarriages.

genlte hugs.
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#10 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 8:52:44 PM Quote
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Ruth, welcome to the site, and sorry you need to be here. Just sending support to you, the people who have successfully given birth and are currently pregnant are a wonderful support, and will help you in any way they can, Amanda is very knowledgeable, and i am sure you have read her post to you. I can only wish you luck with conceiving and carrying a child, I feel your pain in losing babies. I have 4 of my own and care for little ones, and adore them.
BARBARA
ruthsteadman
#11 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 2:28:07 PM Quote
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Thanks for all your comments and support. It's just all so overwhelming sometimes trying to come to terms with RA alone, let alone having had the miscarriages. It's so nice to know I'm not the only one going through these things. My support network (friends and family) are really good generally but struggle to understand how I feel with having RA and my symptoms. I struggle to understand most of the time! It is good news I know that I seem to be able to get pregnant without problem as I know this isn't the case for many women and I feel lucky in that respect.

Good wishes to all of you x
jeanb
#12 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 2:59:55 PM Quote
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Do keep in touch, Ruth, and let us know how things go.

Love Jeanxx
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#13 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 3:01:32 PM Quote
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Hi Ruth

Welcome to the forum where you will make lots of new friends and find much useful information.

I'm sorry to hear of your problems with miscarriage and understand your concerns with having RA. I haven't had miscarriages but have experienced sub fertility on two occasions. My RA started after the birth of my first child and it was an extremely difficult time. I did however improve with effective RA treatment and Clomid and went on to have twin boys and another baby boy. The twins should have been triplets but I did lose one and looked set to lose the other two but things settled down and all was well.

Certainly the RA drugs can be a cause for concern in pregnancy but I'm sure your doctors will offer advice on what's right for you. I had a friend with RA who had seven miscarriages. She had two boys with no problems and then the difficulties started. The RA drugs were ruled out as being responsible and many years later it was discovered that in each of the miscarriages she had been carrying girls. The problem was diagnosed as Hughes Syndrome (mentioned by Melly earlier). 'Hughes' is another auto-immune disorder and with the correct treatment I understand that a pregnancy can be carried to term.

It may be worth asking for some additional tests to be done to eliminate the likes of 'Hughes' and similar auto immune disorders.
Let us know how you go on and good luck,

Lyn x
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ruthsteadman
#14 Posted : Monday, July 12, 2010 3:04:33 PM Quote
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Thank you so much for the information about Hughes Syndrome - I've had a look at the link Lyn has put up and it clicks with something the Early Pregnancy Nurse told me about taking small dose asprin as this is sometimes thought to help in some women with miscarriage problems. I will certainly ask my GP about being tested. I will keep you posted of my progress, as still in the period of waiting the 3 months to clear stopping the Methotrexate.
Calmwater22
#15 Posted : Monday, July 12, 2010 4:35:03 PM Quote
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Hi Ruth
aww you will get there,yes hughes foundation also useful abscent minded forgot post link here goes,
http://hughes-syndrome.org/

it is easily treatable,may not be casue but something id of thought your rheumy would have tested for.
keep posting lovely see you online.
Im at month 4 of my wait for mtx be out system,lupus be more controlled,along with ra.
currently RA being nuisance so just had bloods again see if action terms drugs needed.


take care
Melly
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bella33
#16 Posted : Monday, July 12, 2010 8:29:33 PM Quote
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Hi Ruth
I'm so very sorry about your miscarriages, I don't know of a link between RA and miscarriage other than Hughes which the other girls have mentioned.
I'm Claire,i'm 35 and I was diagnosed with RA in 2008 and we have been TTC for just over a year. I'm on oral prednisolone a very low dose because I was very reluctant to go on it but have had adverse reactions to sulphasalazine and hydro. To be honest I could probably do with a higher dose.
At my last RA appointment my rheummy has written to my GP to refer us for fertility tests ASAP as my RA is getting steadily worse and although i'm trying to stay relaxed about the whole process I think realistically i'm failing miserably!
I hope you get some answers from the doctors and i've found the girls on here very supportive.
Take care
Clairexx
jenni_b
#17 Posted : Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:44:35 AM Quote
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hello

been off the forum for a while and just spotted your post. I am so sorry to read about the miscarriages.

With any auto immune system disorder (Lupus, RA, Sjrogens) and have had 1 or more miscarriages you should be tested for sticky blood. this is the ANA test on the form. Antiphospholipids I think it is. Sometimes this is part of Hughes syndrome. FOr this, you have injections to prevent things clotting and it can save the pregnancy.

there are other tests like anti- ro and anti-la that are important to have done in early pregnancy too, especially if you get dry eyes and mouth associated with the RA (sometimes called sjorgens or secondary sjorgens).

there is some contraversial research into the "killer cells" that some women have a lot of. IN RA you have a lot of one sort of these cells called TNF cells. Some women who dont even have RA are taking Anti TNF medications (buying them themselves) called Humira. This is a drug used in the treatment of RA but is a fairly new drug and is a risk as we do not know the effects really on baby, although it has to be said the only women I know who have taken it have gone onto have healthy babies and good pregnancies.

There is a user of the boards on here called emily, who has been to one of the London clinics for reccurent early miscarriage. Her GP referred her.

It was well worth the short wait as they are specialists in all this. Apparently even if you test negative for the sticky blood you can still have problems, but you really need to find a good specialist to see about this.

I will try and ask what hospital clinic if you like.

My husband and I had a 0.3% chance of ever having a baby, we have 2 older adopted children and we explored TTC. I took a low dose of steroids and celebrex, I did have a wash out treatment first (charcoal- Yuk!) . We looked into IVF or IUI but we couldnt afford it and locally here there is only one shot and you have to be 35 (I was 30 then) we had basically given up all hope and I went into hospital as I was feeling so rough with the ra and rather down if Im honest.

Then I found out that the hormonal and rather up and down feelings were there for a reason and I was pregnant. Because we had had miscarriage before we went straight to the high risk early pregnancy unit and they looked after us well. I had to go into hospital each wk as I had a lot of complications and at the end, well, things were pretty hard. I was really in bodily melt down and the baby was 6 wks early. BUT there are a lot of times I can tell you that I have been to hospital feeling terrible and come out worse than before but this time I came home with a Joyful little bundle called Bernice (which means bringer of victory).

Bernice is now 2.5yrs and potty trained this last wk. She is brings delight as well as victory.

Much love and best hopes and prayers to all those on here who are TTC.

Jenni xx

PS. my pregnancy blog is on the old forum link.


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amanda_lewin
#18 Posted : Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:14:28 PM Quote
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That's interesting as i have had RA a long time and two miscarriages and never been offered investigations for sticky blood or anything else. I always thought one needed to have had three recurrent losses and then they would look into it, they're pretty reluctant to do it.

Also I am coeliac and only recently found out that there is a link between this auto-immune illness and miscarriages.

Amanda
ruthsteadman
#19 Posted : Monday, July 19, 2010 9:25:09 AM Quote
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Thanks Jenni for the information. I'm am trying to arrange to be tested, but my GP is pretty adamant they won't do any investigations until 3 miscarriages, which is really unhelpful! I see my RA Nurse on 3rd August, so hope I will get some support there. She is usually pretty good. Now I've got the information you girls have all given me, I feel I can try and ask again about some tests. I've started to take 5mg Folic Acid and 75mg Asprin which was recommended by Early Pregnancy Nurse after last miscarriage as something which could help me next time. Worth a go.

Many thanks

Ruth x
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#20 Posted : Monday, July 19, 2010 10:38:00 AM Quote
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hi ruth

the gp is right- they dont do a test until 3 miscarriages. But not being funny, you arent the "bog standard" patient. You have an autoimmune disease already and you need this test.

NRAS will back you up if you need a letter I am sure.

Love

Jenni x
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